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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Write Off ALA&#8217;s Work on Digital Literacy and the FCC Before Reading This</title>
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	<description>Bobbi Newman &#124; I&#039;m not that kind of librarian</description>
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		<title>By: M. Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“ Instead of another program, why not increase funding for AmeriCorps programs and have them work with librarians to develop digital literacy programs?”

Why not instead of giving money to another agency, give money to libraries to address the concerns of the underserved?
  
I’m all for working with other agencies.  Libraries do that all the time.  But we aren’t talking about refugees from Thailand this is very different issue.
  
“AmeriCorps is a great program that could use more funding, along with a more specific goals regarding literacy, including digital and health information literacy.”

Libraries have great programs regarding literacy, including digital and health information literacy as well.  The libraries would love to have enough money to hire and train people in their own communities.  

“We could not have accomplished as much as we have without AmeriCorps volunteers, who are paid much less than other personnel.”

That is the real point, spread literacy using library spaces if need be, just don’t more library staff?

“These volunteers can be seen as potential recruits for our profession, especially when they see librarians leading these effort.”

We aren’t short of recruits, we are short of jobs.

“ For a better future for librarians, we need to break down walls between the organizations so that all types of librarians can work together at all levels.”

Without walls we’d have a blob.  And I’d like to stress that libraries already work with lots of organizations.  

I’m not conceptually against the ideals of what a digital corps could achieve and help with, I just don’t see why we can’t work through libraries to address the concerns in question instead of creating another agency.  I think I&#039;d be on board if that could clearly be explained.  

I hope I didn&#039;t sound too grumpy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“ Instead of another program, why not increase funding for AmeriCorps programs and have them work with librarians to develop digital literacy programs?”</p>
<p>Why not instead of giving money to another agency, give money to libraries to address the concerns of the underserved?</p>
<p>I’m all for working with other agencies.  Libraries do that all the time.  But we aren’t talking about refugees from Thailand this is very different issue.</p>
<p>“AmeriCorps is a great program that could use more funding, along with a more specific goals regarding literacy, including digital and health information literacy.”</p>
<p>Libraries have great programs regarding literacy, including digital and health information literacy as well.  The libraries would love to have enough money to hire and train people in their own communities.  </p>
<p>“We could not have accomplished as much as we have without AmeriCorps volunteers, who are paid much less than other personnel.”</p>
<p>That is the real point, spread literacy using library spaces if need be, just don’t more library staff?</p>
<p>“These volunteers can be seen as potential recruits for our profession, especially when they see librarians leading these effort.”</p>
<p>We aren’t short of recruits, we are short of jobs.</p>
<p>“ For a better future for librarians, we need to break down walls between the organizations so that all types of librarians can work together at all levels.”</p>
<p>Without walls we’d have a blob.  And I’d like to stress that libraries already work with lots of organizations.  </p>
<p>I’m not conceptually against the ideals of what a digital corps could achieve and help with, I just don’t see why we can’t work through libraries to address the concerns in question instead of creating another agency.  I think I&#8217;d be on board if that could clearly be explained.  </p>
<p>I hope I didn&#8217;t sound too grumpy.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret (Peg) Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret (Peg) Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a medical librarian who has developed health information outreach projects since 1993, I&#039;ve come to appreciate the role AmeriCorps members can play by working with library partners and community service organizations to provide training and services for underserved populations. Instead of another program, why not increase funding for AmeriCorps programs and have them work with librarians to develop digital literacy programs?  Look to the Medical Library Association&#039;s Consumer Health Information certificate program as a model for training the trainers and many of the NNLM (National Network/Libraries of Medicine, nnlm.gov) consumer health project awards for program ideas.  
Since 2001 I&#039;ve worked on Hmong Health Education Network (hmonghealth.org) projects, with funding from NLM, NN/LM the Refugee Health Information Network (rhin.org) In presentations, I always stress the value of working with multiple community agencies. See http://www.hmonghealth.org/documents/04Allen_Matthew_Boland.pdf for an older article on this project.  
Since 2006, a Hmong member of the Wausau area AmeriCorps team has had a dual role at the Hmong association:  working on our health information project and also helping with the after school program for new refugee youth. Last year, the Hmong association and Marathon County Library branches were partners in a broadband grant that provided wifi connections at all branches (mostly rural), the Hmong association and Neighbor&#039;s Place, a community center that provides literacy training, food pantry and other services. The grant provided a training lab for Neighbor&#039;s Place and a traveling lab for the other sites.  Neighbor&#039;s Place also utilizes AmeriCorps volunteers, as well as after school programs, Boys and Girls Club and other community service organizations. AmeriCorps is a great program that could use more funding, along with a more specific goals regarding literacy, including digital and health information literacy.  We could not have accomplished as much as we have without AmeriCorps volunteers, who are paid much less than other personnel.  These volunteers can be seen as potential recruits for our profession, especially when they see librarians leading these effort.
As for ALA, I&#039;ve had to focus my limited resources on MLA, but have belonged to ALA/ACRL in the past, and the Wisconsin Library association for many years. For a better future for librarians, we need to break down walls between the organizations so that all types of librarians can work together at all levels.  While easiest at the local level, we need to be united when lobbying for funding (something that is happening, but not enough).  In the meantime, we need to keep good projects going.  Thanks for this blog post, which gives me new ideas for sustaining the goals of Hmonghealth.org.  Recent funding has not been enough to cover expenses for partners as well my time and expense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a medical librarian who has developed health information outreach projects since 1993, I&#8217;ve come to appreciate the role AmeriCorps members can play by working with library partners and community service organizations to provide training and services for underserved populations. Instead of another program, why not increase funding for AmeriCorps programs and have them work with librarians to develop digital literacy programs?  Look to the Medical Library Association&#8217;s Consumer Health Information certificate program as a model for training the trainers and many of the NNLM (National Network/Libraries of Medicine, nnlm.gov) consumer health project awards for program ideas.<br />
Since 2001 I&#8217;ve worked on Hmong Health Education Network (hmonghealth.org) projects, with funding from NLM, NN/LM the Refugee Health Information Network (rhin.org) In presentations, I always stress the value of working with multiple community agencies. See <a href="http://www.hmonghealth.org/documents/04Allen_Matthew_Boland.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hmonghealth.org/documents/04Allen_Matthew_Boland.pdf</a> for an older article on this project.<br />
Since 2006, a Hmong member of the Wausau area AmeriCorps team has had a dual role at the Hmong association:  working on our health information project and also helping with the after school program for new refugee youth. Last year, the Hmong association and Marathon County Library branches were partners in a broadband grant that provided wifi connections at all branches (mostly rural), the Hmong association and Neighbor&#8217;s Place, a community center that provides literacy training, food pantry and other services. The grant provided a training lab for Neighbor&#8217;s Place and a traveling lab for the other sites.  Neighbor&#8217;s Place also utilizes AmeriCorps volunteers, as well as after school programs, Boys and Girls Club and other community service organizations. AmeriCorps is a great program that could use more funding, along with a more specific goals regarding literacy, including digital and health information literacy.  We could not have accomplished as much as we have without AmeriCorps volunteers, who are paid much less than other personnel.  These volunteers can be seen as potential recruits for our profession, especially when they see librarians leading these effort.<br />
As for ALA, I&#8217;ve had to focus my limited resources on MLA, but have belonged to ALA/ACRL in the past, and the Wisconsin Library association for many years. For a better future for librarians, we need to break down walls between the organizations so that all types of librarians can work together at all levels.  While easiest at the local level, we need to be united when lobbying for funding (something that is happening, but not enough).  In the meantime, we need to keep good projects going.  Thanks for this blog post, which gives me new ideas for sustaining the goals of Hmonghealth.org.  Recent funding has not been enough to cover expenses for partners as well my time and expense.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbi Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobbi Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Gwyneth! It took a lot of time to pull all those links together I&#039;m glad someone appreciates them :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Gwyneth! It took a lot of time to pull all those links together I&#8217;m glad someone appreciates them <img src='http://librarianbyday.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The DaringLibrarian (@gwynethjones)</title>
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		<dc:creator>The DaringLibrarian (@gwynethjones)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bobbi, Thank you for this. I read your post carefully - you quoted, you linked extensively, you laid it out logically &amp; brilliantly. There&#039;s always room for different opinions but I really appreciate your clearly stated facts &amp; information. But then, I&#039;m an annoyingly optimistic Pollyanna type! 
Let&#039;s work together for change &amp; not be so ready to throw in the towel too soon. My 2 cents. 
Cheers!
~Gwyneth]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobbi, Thank you for this. I read your post carefully &#8211; you quoted, you linked extensively, you laid it out logically &amp; brilliantly. There&#8217;s always room for different opinions but I really appreciate your clearly stated facts &amp; information. But then, I&#8217;m an annoyingly optimistic Pollyanna type!<br />
Let&#8217;s work together for change &amp; not be so ready to throw in the towel too soon. My 2 cents.<br />
Cheers!<br />
~Gwyneth</p>
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		<title>By: The ALA/FCC/Digital Corps Debacle &#171; Agnostic, Maybe</title>
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		<dc:creator>The ALA/FCC/Digital Corps Debacle &#171; Agnostic, Maybe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ALA Digital Literacy Task Force, writes a response to Buffy as well as others in her blog post, “Don’t Write Off ALA’s Work on Digital Literacy and the FCC Before Reading This” She takes great pains to show how the ALA has been engaged with the FCC throughout the process, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ALA Digital Literacy Task Force, writes a response to Buffy as well as others in her blog post, “Don’t Write Off ALA’s Work on Digital Literacy and the FCC Before Reading This” She takes great pains to show how the ALA has been engaged with the FCC throughout the process, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbi Newman</title>
		<link>http://librarianbyday.net/2012/06/12/dont-write-off-alas-work-on-digital-literacy-and-the-fcc-before-reading-this/comment-page-1/#comment-29205</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobbi Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right we are going to have to agree to disagree. You want to place blame on ALA as a whole over all, as if it isn&#039;t made up of individuals, many of whom are volunteers and divisions and internet groups with every different interests. I can&#039;t speak for AASL which I assume you&#039;re a member of but I can speak for my involvement in the Task Force.

You state - &quot;The six points you quoted asserted by ALA do not mention librarians, nor is there any mention of school libraries or school librarians. &quot; 

Those six points are part of a larger document which does in fact mention school libraries. Unfortunately I have to point out that that document was sent to Task Force members via email for comment before it was submitted.  I hate to do this but did you comment? Did you stress the importance of school libraries when you had the opportunity? If so and you were ignored I apologize right now, publicly. But if not, as I&#039;ve pointed out, ALA is made up of US. 

You state : &quot; As far as the FCC issue goes, it would have been helpful for ALA (all divisions to whom this issue mattered–not just ALA Washington/OITP) to have included language that specifically challenged the FCC’s plan for the digital literacy corps and to have asserted that librarians would have been a better target for that funding the FCC was willing to invest in the effort.&quot;

Where exactly should that language have been? In what document?

I&#039;m frustrated by vague &quot;should&quot;s being thrown about (not just by you) which indicate the people do not understand the procedures and processes. It is not as if ALA can simply walk into the FCC Chairman&#039;s office and demand his attention and time and FORCE him to recognize the importance of libraries. 

I understand that school librarians are afraid for their future, and I know that fear causes strong emotions. One article in the Times doesn&#039;t make something true or finished. 

As a current member of the Task Force (I&#039;m assuming you haven&#039;t stepped down) you have the opportunity to ensure that the Task Force and OITP hear you and through that make a difference with the FCC&#039;s decision, please take that opportunity and use it. I encourage you to focus your energy on the opportunities open to you right now for making a difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right we are going to have to agree to disagree. You want to place blame on ALA as a whole over all, as if it isn&#8217;t made up of individuals, many of whom are volunteers and divisions and internet groups with every different interests. I can&#8217;t speak for AASL which I assume you&#8217;re a member of but I can speak for my involvement in the Task Force.</p>
<p>You state &#8211; &#8220;The six points you quoted asserted by ALA do not mention librarians, nor is there any mention of school libraries or school librarians. &#8221; </p>
<p>Those six points are part of a larger document which does in fact mention school libraries. Unfortunately I have to point out that that document was sent to Task Force members via email for comment before it was submitted.  I hate to do this but did you comment? Did you stress the importance of school libraries when you had the opportunity? If so and you were ignored I apologize right now, publicly. But if not, as I&#8217;ve pointed out, ALA is made up of US. </p>
<p>You state : &#8221; As far as the FCC issue goes, it would have been helpful for ALA (all divisions to whom this issue mattered–not just ALA Washington/OITP) to have included language that specifically challenged the FCC’s plan for the digital literacy corps and to have asserted that librarians would have been a better target for that funding the FCC was willing to invest in the effort.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where exactly should that language have been? In what document?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m frustrated by vague &#8220;should&#8221;s being thrown about (not just by you) which indicate the people do not understand the procedures and processes. It is not as if ALA can simply walk into the FCC Chairman&#8217;s office and demand his attention and time and FORCE him to recognize the importance of libraries. </p>
<p>I understand that school librarians are afraid for their future, and I know that fear causes strong emotions. One article in the Times doesn&#8217;t make something true or finished. </p>
<p>As a current member of the Task Force (I&#8217;m assuming you haven&#8217;t stepped down) you have the opportunity to ensure that the Task Force and OITP hear you and through that make a difference with the FCC&#8217;s decision, please take that opportunity and use it. I encourage you to focus your energy on the opportunities open to you right now for making a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbi Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobbi Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Diane
I did not say it wasn&#039;t ok. I said I couldn&#039;t answer your question due to the vagueness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane<br />
I did not say it wasn&#8217;t ok. I said I couldn&#8217;t answer your question due to the vagueness.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffy Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffy Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bobbi, it&#039;s unfortunate that my efforts to respond to your concerns in a constructive manner have been taken personally by you and that you misinterpreted my blog post as a &quot;denouncement&quot; of the task force.  The post was questioning if the organization, ALA, really understood the actual day to day work public and school librarians are doing.  The six points you quoted asserted by ALA do not mention librarians, nor is there any mention of school libraries or school librarians.  Those are two glaring omissions in my book.

If you have specific questions about my involvement and dialogue on the task force, I&#039;m more than happy to discuss it with you directly.  I have voiced my concerns in meetings I was able to attend; I would have attended more of the virtual meetings had they not been at a time outside of the school day when I am working with students since I rarely can afford the luxury of an hour long conference call because of limited staffing.

Regarding the assignment of blame/failure--we can agree to disagree.  I&#039;m not inclined to continue the same circular arguments on that front.  As far as the FCC issue goes, it would have been helpful for ALA (all divisions to whom this issue mattered--not just ALA Washington/OITP) to have included language that specifically challenged the FCC&#039;s plan for the digital literacy corps and to have asserted that librarians would have been a better target for that funding the FCC was willing to invest in the effort.  
I may be wrong, but my guess is that others upset about this issue would like a more specific explanation as to why &quot;librarians&quot; are largely absent from the language of the documentation that has been provided by ALA.  

As far as membership goes, that is a very personal decision, especially as economic hardships force many people to think more critically about where they want to invest their time and money.  I can&#039;t speak for other areas of librarianship, but it doesn&#039;t take a rocket scientist to see how horribly eroded school librarianship has become; while the advocacy efforts of ALA may have been noble and well-intended, it&#039;s obvious they have not been effective in mitigating this intense deterioration.   It may be we are now in a time in which we should no longer look to ALA but instead, approach advocacy more strategically through local efforts and coalitions formed with other agencies that may prove to be more effective in this new economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobbi, it&#8217;s unfortunate that my efforts to respond to your concerns in a constructive manner have been taken personally by you and that you misinterpreted my blog post as a &#8220;denouncement&#8221; of the task force.  The post was questioning if the organization, ALA, really understood the actual day to day work public and school librarians are doing.  The six points you quoted asserted by ALA do not mention librarians, nor is there any mention of school libraries or school librarians.  Those are two glaring omissions in my book.</p>
<p>If you have specific questions about my involvement and dialogue on the task force, I&#8217;m more than happy to discuss it with you directly.  I have voiced my concerns in meetings I was able to attend; I would have attended more of the virtual meetings had they not been at a time outside of the school day when I am working with students since I rarely can afford the luxury of an hour long conference call because of limited staffing.</p>
<p>Regarding the assignment of blame/failure&#8211;we can agree to disagree.  I&#8217;m not inclined to continue the same circular arguments on that front.  As far as the FCC issue goes, it would have been helpful for ALA (all divisions to whom this issue mattered&#8211;not just ALA Washington/OITP) to have included language that specifically challenged the FCC&#8217;s plan for the digital literacy corps and to have asserted that librarians would have been a better target for that funding the FCC was willing to invest in the effort.<br />
I may be wrong, but my guess is that others upset about this issue would like a more specific explanation as to why &#8220;librarians&#8221; are largely absent from the language of the documentation that has been provided by ALA.  </p>
<p>As far as membership goes, that is a very personal decision, especially as economic hardships force many people to think more critically about where they want to invest their time and money.  I can&#8217;t speak for other areas of librarianship, but it doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to see how horribly eroded school librarianship has become; while the advocacy efforts of ALA may have been noble and well-intended, it&#8217;s obvious they have not been effective in mitigating this intense deterioration.   It may be we are now in a time in which we should no longer look to ALA but instead, approach advocacy more strategically through local efforts and coalitions formed with other agencies that may prove to be more effective in this new economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Cordell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Cordell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, sweeping statements and vague pronouncements are O.K. for you but not for me? So, what library do you work in?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, sweeping statements and vague pronouncements are O.K. for you but not for me? So, what library do you work in?</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbi Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobbi Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This question is so vague I can&#039;t really respond. Each situation is different and must be re-examined on its merits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This question is so vague I can&#8217;t really respond. Each situation is different and must be re-examined on its merits.</p>
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